http://karl.polanyi.fr/wiki/index.php?title=Abraham_Rotstein,_Notes_de_fin_de_semaine_III&feed=atom&action=historyAbraham Rotstein, Notes de fin de semaine III - Revision history2024-03-28T13:26:29ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.41.0http://karl.polanyi.fr/wiki/index.php?title=Abraham_Rotstein,_Notes_de_fin_de_semaine_III&diff=18137&oldid=prevSantiago Pinault: /* Politique moderne */2020-04-26T02:24:05Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Politique moderne</span></span></p>
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</table>Santiago Pinaulthttp://karl.polanyi.fr/wiki/index.php?title=Abraham_Rotstein,_Notes_de_fin_de_semaine_III&diff=16530&oldid=prevSantiago Pinault at 13:08, 31 August 20192019-08-31T13:08:46Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Old Testament criticism was created by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Wellhausen Wellhausen] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and the Jews </del>didn't take note of it, when less than had the <span class="hand-written">German</span> Christians didn't taken note of the New Testament critics. Fundamentalists preferred obscurantism to New Testament criticism, but the English took up the New Testament criticism. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The Jews decided for obscurantism </del>all the way and took no note of Wellhausen, nor of Weber and Meyer's books on the history of Judaism. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The Jews said that this was antisemitic and therefore </del>anti-<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">progressive and </del>anti-<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">liberal</del>. The Deuteronomy story wasn't taken note of.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Old Testament criticism was created by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Wellhausen Wellhausen] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">et les Juifs </ins>didn't take note of it, when less than had the <span class="hand-written">German</span> Christians didn't taken note of the New Testament critics. Fundamentalists preferred obscurantism to New Testament criticism, but the English took up the New Testament criticism. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Les Juifs choisirent l'obscurantisme </ins>all the way and took no note of Wellhausen, nor of Weber and Meyer's books on the history of Judaism. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Les Juifs dirent que c'était antisémite et donc </ins>anti-<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">progressiste et </ins>anti-<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">libéral</ins>. The Deuteronomy story wasn't taken note of.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Santiago Pinaulthttp://karl.polanyi.fr/wiki/index.php?title=Abraham_Rotstein,_Notes_de_fin_de_semaine_III&diff=16043&oldid=prevSantiago Pinault: /* L'arrière-plan de l'œuvre de Polanyi */2019-06-21T08:24:23Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">L'arrière-plan de l'œuvre de Polanyi</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Page |n°=55}} <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Background of P</del>'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">s </del>article <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in Hungarian sociological </del>journal, (1909 <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">at the age of </del>23?):</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Page |n°=55}} <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">L'arrière-plan de l</ins>'article <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">de P. en hongrois dans le </ins>journal <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sociologique</ins>, (1909 <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">à l'âge de </ins>23 <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ans </ins>?) :</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The post-expresionist world was disappearing as reaction to Gauguin, Cezanne etc. Impressionism was out altogether and something new appeared in art which is decorative and formalistic Something normative appeared in poetry e.g. Claudel and the new pays and lyrics - something anti-democratic and anti-libertarian. There was the New Machiavelli of Wells and science rose to prominence instead of literature. Planning was coming up and the first signs of monopoly capitalism began to be noticed. It was the end of a competitive world and so the individualistic emphasis disappeared. It was o forecast of fascism: the working class will be led by capitalistic planning and will be normative ethical corporativistic movement. This was the main point on which it hinged. It was the same thing as Christianity which started with the slave class and went to the ruling class. That the working class turned to Bolshevism instead of syndicalism (?) is closely related to it.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The post-expresionist world was disappearing as reaction to Gauguin, Cezanne etc. Impressionism was out altogether and something new appeared in art which is decorative and formalistic Something normative appeared in poetry e.g. Claudel and the new pays and lyrics - something anti-democratic and anti-libertarian. There was the New Machiavelli of Wells and science rose to prominence instead of literature. Planning was coming up and the first signs of monopoly capitalism began to be noticed. It was the end of a competitive world and so the individualistic emphasis disappeared. It was o forecast of fascism: the working class will be led by capitalistic planning and will be normative ethical corporativistic movement. This was the main point on which it hinged. It was the same thing as Christianity which started with the slave class and went to the ruling class. That the working class turned to Bolshevism instead of syndicalism (?) is closely related to it.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>At that time the market theorem provided only a kind of insight and it wasn't substantiated that the method could be used for anything. Then at Columbia P. started to apply it to antiquity to see if it works. He spent nine years on antiquity and never changed the subject - trade, money markets. Now we have achieved twelve points of insights or discoveries which had not been seen or understood. P. had not gone much further and didn't have a conceptual system. In “[[The economy as instituted <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">process”</del>, and trade, money and markets, one chapter ending says that the market is not important. He didn't see it then, but it was implied. The difference between the born and unborn. P. now has a historical development which he didn't possess.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>At that time the market theorem provided only a kind of insight and it wasn't substantiated that the method could be used for anything. Then at Columbia P. started to apply it to antiquity to see if it works. He spent nine years on antiquity and never changed the subject - trade, money markets. Now we have achieved twelve points of insights or discoveries which had not been seen or understood. P. had not gone much further and didn't have a conceptual system. In “[[The economy as instituted <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">process]]”</ins>, and trade, money and markets, one chapter ending says that the market is not important. He didn't see it then, but it was implied. The difference between the born and unborn. P. now has a historical development which he didn't possess.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In </del>1922 P. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">worked on </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Socialist Accountancy</del>]] and tried to solve the question of pricing in a Socialist society on a purely institutionalist basis. Ultimately things didn't develop along these lines. P. thought such a bargain would express something real on account of the institutional character of personalities and what they represent. P. has a knack for the institutional approach - likes to think of a functioning mechanism and has a strong aversion to psychological argument and doesn't believe in it even though he was very intimate with thinking of Freud and Adler.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">En </ins>1922 P. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">travailla sur la </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">La comptabilité socialiste|comptabilité socialiste</ins>]] and tried to solve the question of pricing in a Socialist society on a purely institutionalist basis. Ultimately things didn't develop along these lines. P. thought such a bargain would express something real on account of the institutional character of personalities and what they represent. P. has a knack for the institutional approach - likes to think of a functioning mechanism and has a strong aversion to psychological argument and doesn't believe in it even though he was very intimate with thinking of Freud and Adler.</div></td></tr>
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