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Santiago Pinault: /* Sartre and Camus (2) */

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Sartre and Camus (2)

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	== Notes ==		== Notes ==
	=== Sartre and Camus (2) ===		=== Sartre and Camus (2) ===
	{{Page \|n°=24}} P. had a talk with terry of “The Fall”. They say that life is the impasse that comes from the actual conditions of existence. They say that life is unliveable. P. says that this is true unless the reality of society is accepted. You give up socialism which is absolutes. Sartre takes the freedom postulate to the limit and this can only be done by denying the reality of society.		{{Page \|n°=24}} P. had a talk with terry of “The Fall”. They say that life is the impasse that comes from the actual conditions of existence. They say that life is unliveable. P. says that this is true unless the reality of society is accepted. You give up socialism which is absolutes. Sartre takes the freedom postulate to the limit and this can only be done by denying the reality of society. [[#mw-page-base\|↑]]

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	=== "Psychology and Ideology" ===		=== "Psychology and Ideology" ===
	Terry is working on an article that P. wrote in 1945. It says that institutional change is caused by various types of strain and the most important is the tension between the actual motives and postulated motives. When do institutions change? When actual motives are too distant from the motives they are supposed to be.<ref>See both texts (or two versions of the same project) in [[41/07]].</ref> [[#mw-page-base\|↑]]		Terry is working on an article that P. wrote in 1945. It says that institutional change is caused by various types of strain and the most important is the tension between the actual motives and postulated motives. When do institutions change? When actual motives are too distant from the motives they are supposed to be.<ref>See both texts (or two versions of the same project) in [[41/07]].</ref> [[#mw-page-base\|↑]]

Santiago Pinault: /* "Freedom and Technology" - General Comments (4) */

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"Freedom and Technology" - General Comments (4)

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	No Villages of Union were produced then (although Bentham had money). One was produced about 20 years later but didn’t succeed. That as a practical man he thought it would succeed, shows that ha was obsessed. He thought it could be successful because of New Lanark but he alone was responsible there. When they quarreled in America for example, they couldn’t be dismissed. There was no discipline. He forgot that a factory needs an iron discipline, because it is a technological undertaking. [[#mw-page-base\|↑]]		No Villages of Union were produced then (although Bentham had money). One was produced about 20 years later but didn’t succeed. That as a practical man he thought it would succeed, shows that ha was obsessed. He thought it could be successful because of New Lanark but he alone was responsible there. When they quarreled in America for example, they couldn’t be dismissed. There was no discipline. He forgot that a factory needs an iron discipline, because it is a technological undertaking. [[#mw-page-base\|↑]]

	== "Freedom and Technology" - General Comments ~~(4)~~ ==		== "Freedom and Technology" (6) - General Comments ==
	{{Page \|n°=21}} The introduction only showed that we have a subject that hangs together. P. would write the human story of the machine. It must be shown that the machine affected man in unexpected ways which where discontinuous. They occurred one after another and no one had foreseen the next one.		{{Page \|n°=21}} The introduction only showed that we have a subject that hangs together. P. would write the human story of the machine. It must be shown that the machine affected man in unexpected ways which where discontinuous. They occurred one after another and no one had foreseen the next one.

Santiago Pinault at 14:03, 13 December 2019

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	== Interdisciplinary Project (3) ==		== Interdisciplinary Project (3) ==
	P. is having financial difficulties in the ~~[…] {{English~~ to ~~type}}~~		P. is having financial difficulties in the Project and has given up the idea of producing a book. Harry’s leaving for Bennington leaves the Project too weak. But they may publish several articles together and it may be a symposium and would serve the same purpose. P. is working in three chapters on trade, money and markets for the Greek-Dahomey book which are a write-up of the survey material. P. has done three survey which deal with something like six topics of the main subject. This means putting order into the index and using scissors in order to restructure it. This will result in having the Greek-Dahomey book published, but not publishing the book on money. P. has about 25 pages on equivalencies, treasure uses, and debt bondage. We want to avoid the old ruts.

	Harry has gone to Bennington and will come in once a month. ~~[…]~~		Harry has gone to Bennington and will come in once a month. P. Encourages them to prepare to continue the Project, and if they want if they can have it. They take line of young scholars who have grown up together and know what they are talking about and why not continue the work? Up to now P. alone did what was needed to continue. Bohanan who is in Princeton has joined up and sends P. a number of paper and pre-prints that he has introduced. If he moves to Columbia that will be a great strengthening of the group.

	What can P. do now? The main thing is to produce achievements to substantiate such a claim.		What can P. do now? The main thing is to produce achievements to substantiate such a claim.

	P. is now engaged in organizing the September 9th meeting. ~~[…]~~		P. is now engaged in organizing the September 9th meeting. The point would be that P. doesn’t want to give the main paper and would like others to come in. The August 5th meeting was very successful because P. read a paper on equivalencies and their effect on money uses.

	{{Page \|n°=23}} P. is working successfully and has formulated the articles for the symposium. ~~[…]~~		{{Page \|n°=23}} P. is working successfully and has formulated the articles for the symposium. Apart from the symposium he is formulating something new, which is to use the surveys to produce an interdisciplinary survey on matters related to money. In this way the anthropologist would agree on the use of these terms and would and we would have something on early society. It would be something that others could use and would contain some or our material, not all of it. It would be a thin item, not a whole book.

	P. ~~can't~~ do it without the anthropologists. ~~[…]~~		P. can’t do it without the anthropologists. This, together with the “Trade and Market” might be a foundation to set up an institute in order to make it more permanent. It would definitely be with an anthropologist. P. is writing the introduction to this to explain what it is about.

	Harry has gone to Bennington which is an excellent ~~… […]~~		Harry has gone to Bennington which is an excellent new arrangement for him. He gets $6500 and something from the Project which makes his position quite easy. In ten years he will be at Harvard. A while age he thought he would quit and take up a research job, but P. strongly dissuaded him from doing this.

			There is no review out yet of “Trade and Market”. The “American Sociologist” had a review of Parson’s book and the impression was that the reviewer hadn’t read the book, and was writing around it and not offering a review. P. thinks that within three months the first reviews will begin to appear. P. has begun to get in touch with one or two people we ought to be interested in such a publication.

	~~There is no review out yet … […]~~
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	== Notes ==		== Notes ==
	=== Sartre and Camus (2) ===		=== Sartre and Camus (2) ===
	{{Page \|n°=24}} P. had a talk with terry of “The Fall”. They say that life is the impasse that comes from the ~~[…]~~		{{Page \|n°=24}} P. had a talk with terry of “The Fall”. They say that life is the impasse that comes from the actual conditions of existence. They say that life is unliveable. P. says that this is true unless the reality of society is accepted. You give up socialism which is absolutes. Sartre takes the freedom postulate to the limit and this can only be done by denying the reality of society.

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Santiago Pinault at 22:02, 12 December 2019

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	== "Freedom and Technology" - General Comments (4) ==		== "Freedom and Technology" - General Comments (4) ==
	{{Page \|n°=21}} The introduction only showed that we have ~~… […]~~		{{Page \|n°=21}} The introduction only showed that we have a subject that hangs together. P. would write the human story of the machine. It must be shown that the machine affected man in unexpected ways which where discontinuous. They occurred one after another and no one had foreseen the next one.

	The complaints about society do begin with these situations and do cease with Nietzsche and Freud, and with Sartre it gives rise to the human existence. When they ~~criticizes~~ society they have an optimistic ~~… […]~~		The complaints about society do begin with these situations and do cease with Nietzsche and Freud, and with Sartre it gives rise to the human existence. When they criticize society they have an optimistic note, but when they turn to the criticism of human existence they have a pessimistic note.

	P. would be extremely loathe to drop the book. P. should put these ideas on record. …		P. would be extremely loathe to drop the book. P. should put these ideas on record. Should things break down, P. thinks I should write a book on my own. P. would work on an introduction. This would be a second best. (A second best gives one more assurance as to what one is doing).

	P. would say that the Owen chapter depends upon the degree of his inner determination, and the first chapter, the Introduction, doesn’t now make much sense and		P. would say that the Owen chapter depends upon the degree of his inner determination, and the first chapter, the Introduction, doesn’t now make much sense and cannot be written.
	cannot be written.

	P. would give a presentation from the point of view of the reality of society of what the machine actually did do ~~[…]~~		P. would give a presentation from the point of view of the reality of society of what the machine actually did do. Together with that would go the criticism of society, and the philosophy of the past hundred to one hundred and fifty years. We would then go on to the early Marx. P. has that and could write it with some assurance. The basic idea of the book is really safe; because some of the problem undoubtedly exists and whatever other answer there is, this problem should be named. [[#mw-page-base\|↑]]

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	== Interdisciplinary Project (3) ==		== Interdisciplinary Project (3) ==
	P. is having financial difficulties in the […]		P. is having financial difficulties in the […] {{English to type}}

	Harry has gone to Bennington and will come in once a month. […]		Harry has gone to Bennington and will come in once a month. […]
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	== Notes ==		== Notes ==
	=== Sartre and Camus (2) ===		=== Sartre and Camus (2) ===
	{{Page \|n°=24}} P. had a talk with terry of “The Fall”. They say that life is the impasse that comes from the […]		{{Page \|n°=24}} P. had a talk with terry of “The Fall”. They say that life is the impasse that comes from the […]

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Santiago Pinault: /* Frobel */

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Frobel

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	No Villages of Union were produced then (although Bentham had money). One was produced about 20 years later but didn’t succeed. That as a practical man he thought it would succeed, shows that ha was obsessed. He thought it could be successful because of New Lanark but he alone was responsible there. When they quarreled in America for example, they couldn’t be dismissed. There was no discipline. He forgot that a factory needs an iron discipline, because it is a technological undertaking. [[#mw-page-base\|↑]]		No Villages of Union were produced then (although Bentham had money). One was produced about 20 years later but didn’t succeed. That as a practical man he thought it would succeed, shows that ha was obsessed. He thought it could be successful because of New Lanark but he alone was responsible there. When they quarreled in America for example, they couldn’t be dismissed. There was no discipline. He forgot that a factory needs an iron discipline, because it is a technological undertaking. [[#mw-page-base\|↑]]

	~~== Frobel ==~~
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	== "Freedom and Technology" - General Comments (4) ==		== "Freedom and Technology" - General Comments (4) ==

Santiago Pinault: /* Comments on "Robert Owen, Draft #1 */

2019-12-12T21:48:47Z

Comments on "Robert Owen, Draft #1

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	Jesus said don’t judge for your own sake because you are the son of God, and the Jesus position has a deep and good meaning. It is a finer position.		Jesus said don’t judge for your own sake because you are the son of God, and the Jesus position has a deep and good meaning. It is a finer position.
	Strike out the first paragraph of the conclusion. We cannot accept it as strictly logical. There is no logic and behind it there was very much more. ~~[…]~~ {{~~English to type~~}}
			Strike out the first paragraph of the conclusion. We cannot accept it as strictly logical. There is no logic and behind it there was very much more. It is not an adequate expression of the insight. What I call platitude refers to the common sense way that it is meant to be taken. Also it is self-refuting.

			I may have blundered into something that we do need. Society has a relevance for man’s inner existence (my sentence). Owen didn’t point to this but take it as a mystification. He said man’s character is shaped by society. By restricting it in my “conclusion” to a technological civilization, {{Page \|n°=7}} I have permitted myself to come nearer our thesis.

	Also, I shouldn’t use the word “metaphysical” when it looks as if we didn’t know what we meant. The second and their paragraph of the “conclusion” will have to be developed just to be clearer.		Also, I shouldn’t use the word “metaphysical” when it looks as if we didn’t know what we meant. The second and their paragraph of the “conclusion” will have to be developed just to be clearer.
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	He was comparatively, as rich as the richest monopolist: as today I.C.I., Alfred Mond, Alfred or Carnegie. Everything he touched turned into gold.		He was comparatively, as rich as the richest monopolist: as today I.C.I., Alfred Mond, Alfred or Carnegie. Everything he touched turned into gold.

	~~[…]~~		There was first the thought how he picked up all this, then that he was pushed and third that it was against his temperament.

	The machine arrived creating a new world. The machine was his fate and brought up one horror after another: it crippled the children, caused unemployment and turned the merchants against reform. This got us out of the utopian elements into the new things.		The machine arrived creating a new world. The machine was his fate and brought up one horror after another: it crippled the children, caused unemployment and turned the merchants against reform. This got us out of the utopian elements into the new things.

	Harriet Martineau said that ~~… […]~~		Harriet Martineau said that he wasn’t able to convince people and he put his case in an unreasonable way. His reason is one and the same argument and he never takes up counter-arguments. P. doesn’t think that Martineau is right.

			When he presents his first plan to the County o Lanark there is not even an association to carry it through. The people would have to be ordered. In the second plan there would be a free association. The idea that the poor would be employed didn’t answer the question of how to sell the goods. The trade depressions stopped everything and there were no markets.

	{{Page \|n°=20}} The Bellers plan might conceivably have worked in a boom. The paupers couldn’t be used for anything.		{{Page \|n°=20}} The Bellers plan might conceivably have worked in a boom. The paupers couldn’t be used for anything.

	We said that the capitalist ~~… […]~~		We said that the capitalist that capitalist, instead of organizing things under his own control, should give his money to a fund. To whom? If the capitalist takes a risk then he wants control, and who would entrust money to some fantastic body?

	~~No Villages~~ of ~~Union … […]~~

	[[#mw-page-base\|↑]]		No Villages of Union were produced then (although Bentham had money). One was produced about 20 years later but didn’t succeed. That as a practical man he thought it would succeed, shows that ha was obsessed. He thought it could be successful because of New Lanark but he alone was responsible there. When they quarreled in America for example, they couldn’t be dismissed. There was no discipline. He forgot that a factory needs an iron discipline, because it is a technological undertaking. [[#mw-page-base\|↑]]

	== Frobel ==		== Frobel ==

Santiago Pinault at 13:04, 9 December 2019

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	== Comments on "Robert Owen, Draft #1 ==		== Comments on "Robert Owen, Draft #1 ==
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	Jesus said don’t judge for your own sake because you are the son of God, and the Jesus position has a deep and good meaning. It is a finer position.		Jesus said don’t judge for your own sake because you are the son of God, and the Jesus position has a deep and good meaning. It is a finer position.
	Strike out the first paragraph of the conclusion. We cannot accept it as strictly logical. There is no logic and behind it there was very much more. […]		Strike out the first paragraph of the conclusion. We cannot accept it as strictly logical. There is no logic and behind it there was very much more. […] {{English to type}}

	Also, I shouldn’t use the word “metaphysical” when it looks as if we didn’t know what we meant. The second and their paragraph of the “conclusion” will have to be developed just to be clearer.		Also, I shouldn’t use the word “metaphysical” when it looks as if we didn’t know what we meant. The second and their paragraph of the “conclusion” will have to be developed just to be clearer.
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	The machine arrived creating a new world. The machine was his fate and brought up one horror after another: it crippled the children, caused unemployment and turned the merchants against reform. This got us out of the utopian elements into the new things.		The machine arrived creating a new world. The machine was his fate and brought up one horror after another: it crippled the children, caused unemployment and turned the merchants against reform. This got us out of the utopian elements into the new things.

	Harriet Martineau said that …		Harriet Martineau said that … […]

	{{Page \|n°=20}} The Bellers plan might conceivably have worked in a boom. The paupers couldn’t be used for anything.		{{Page \|n°=20}} The Bellers plan might conceivably have worked in a boom. The paupers couldn’t be used for anything.

			We said that the capitalist … […]

			No Villages of Union … […]

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	== "Freedom and Technology" - General Comments (4) ==		== "Freedom and Technology" - General Comments (4) ==
	{{Page \|n°=21}} Nietzsche and Freud, and with Sartre it gives rise to the human existence. […]		{{Page \|n°=21}} The introduction only showed that we have … […]

			The complaints about society do begin with these situations and do cease with Nietzsche and Freud, and with Sartre it gives rise to the human existence. When they criticizes society they have an optimistic … […]

	P. would be extremely loathe to drop the book. P. should put these ideas on record. …		P. would be extremely loathe to drop the book. P. should put these ideas on record. …
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	cannot be written.		cannot be written.

	P. would give a presentation from the point of view of the reality of society …		P. would give a presentation from the point of view of the reality of society of what the machine actually did do […]

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	P. is having financial difficulties in the […]		P. is having financial difficulties in the […]

			Harry has gone to Bennington and will come in once a month. […]

			What can P. do now? The main thing is to produce achievements to substantiate such a claim.

			P. is now engaged in organizing the September 9th meeting. […]

			{{Page \|n°=23}} P. is working successfully and has formulated the articles for the symposium. […]

			P. can't do it without the anthropologists. […]

			Harry has gone to Bennington which is an excellent … […]

			There is no review out yet … […]
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	== Notes ==		== Notes ==
	=== Sartre and Camus (2) ===		=== Sartre and Camus (2) ===
	{{Page \|n°=24}} P. had a talk with terry of “The Fall”. […]		{{Page \|n°=24}} P. had a talk with terry of “The Fall”. They say that life is the impasse that comes from the […]

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Santiago Pinault: /* Comments on "Robert Owen, Draft #1 */

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Santiago Pinault: /* Comments on "Robert Owen, Draft #1 */

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 But the above is a matter of presentation. But if this is a presentation of Owen’s person, the bulk of the writing is strong, successful, original and interesting.
 From the point of view of what happened to him, he was showed up against one thing, and then pushed on to something else. It is a tremendous paradigm of human fallibility and weakness. He was pushed from one step to the next and spanned the gamut of the century.
-{{Page |n°=3}} The editing will bring consistency in the total movement but one needs text. P. believes I need to work and go on and not stop. My careful reading pays off and my sentences are not the oft-quoted ones and they are more illuminating than the oft-quoted ones. […]
+{{Page |n°=3}} The editing will bring consistency in the total movement but one needs text. P. believes I need to work and go on and not stop. My careful reading pays off and my sentences are not the oft-quoted ones and they are more illuminating than the oft-quoted ones. I had not read enough originally but now I took up what it’s about.
 If Owen was nothing but “unusual” he would be pretty usual. His life’s work is tom come and P. is very eager to have it and the portrait does introduce the story.
-{{Page |n°=4}} Ig this Robert Owen chapter is finished, then it would be decided whether this book can be written.
+We have to get it hard, real and concrete. If we lift it off the ground it loses interest. It becomes an elevated affair and the book cannot be written, because the book is an exercise in keeping one’s feet on the ground and in keeping the ground under one’s feet. One cannot have the ground rise up for the reality of society.
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Santiago Pinault at 12:45, 18 April 2019

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